Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

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Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 18 Mar 2020 11:30

@Bigic alerted us to this new band

this is kind of perfect, especially for our members on the East Coast

this seems to be a relatively recent innovation, since 2018 "De nieuwe DX band!"
https://geheimezender.com/forum/viewfor ... 01dbe9e07f

http://www.dxrapporten.nl/
"Welcome to DXrapporten.nl, the forum for the 35cm, 23cm and 3.5 meter WFM DXer. Many amateurs started on the 3-meter, then "moved on" to the 60cm WFM, but it also came to an end there. Until the piece 850-870 was discovered.

Many old acquaintances went into this, and so in 2016 we have an amateur of 60-70 who are active on a regular basis. No longer from 850 Mhz, but most are now, in 2019 from 870 Mhz, to 875 Mhz. Also in late 2018, early 2019, a start has been made to broadcast on the 3.5 meters, just below the 3 meter band, from 85.00 to 87.00 Mhz.

Of course in Stereo and sometimes with RDS. It is a relatively inexpensive hobby, many are available as standard, or some are made by themselves. With a converter in combination with a nice tuner, everything can be received, and the antennas are of course a lot smaller.

Lots of amateurs have been added lately, which makes the hobby even more fun. The wait is of course for nice conditions, so that with low power, sometimes even below 1 Watt, you can reach distances of more than 150 km. Of course, the correct antenna, antenna height, also applies to this. But receiving is just as important. You can send a long way, but you must of course be able to receive your counter station.

For example, we also have many listening amateurs on the forum, who regularly give DX reports, from received amateurs. Even sometimes with a nice recording and posted on youtube. As said, it is a hobby, which can start cheap and make it as expensive as you want. Actually the same as 25-35 years ago on the 3 meters. Only now you can already with an SDR, a sticky from China, with a nice antenna, possibly also from China, but only for reception, you can already taste the hobby. And, as with any amateur, once you are infected with a radio amateur virus, you will not be able to get rid of it.

So if you are looking for a different challenge, and have you seen it on the 3-meter, I would say, take a look at the forum, and who knows, you might be radioactive here too. Registration and use of the forum is free.
Once you have signed up, one of the admins or Go to the forum .... moderators will approve your account and you can use the forum. We would like you to introduce yourself, perhaps with information about what you have done before. Furthermore, the forum has a chat function, which we like to see as an extension of the hobby. The best part is and remains, of course, just listen to the band and then send it back, just like before ....."


so theoretically the band is 76-87.5 but in practise most pirates are clustered in the 85.0-87.0 range

there is also activity on the OIRT band too
but those frequencies require big tropo to propagate, also i just installed an Aerial for 76-94 ;-)
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 18 Mar 2020 11:39

i tried to register on the above forum but its not working

however this one works https://geheimezender.com/forum

I've registered, will introduce myself and get some tips about the best signals and most active hours
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Franco Martelli » 18 Mar 2020 13:57

I remember that I had found in YT some videos about the reception of these pirates, but I don't remember the name of the channel where to watch them.
I wonder if it would be possible to receive these broadcasts through Sporadic E, despite their very low power.
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 18 Mar 2020 14:01

I'm sure its possible, I've received very low power STL and studio talkback frequencies via e skip because the band is so clear in this range.

it must be a popular band, aerials are available! https://www.innovantennas.com/en/shop-p ... ovAntennas
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Franco Martelli » 18 Mar 2020 22:09

Tim Bucknall wrote:
18 Mar 2020 14:01
it must be a popular band, aerials are available! https://www.innovantennas.com/en/shop-p ... ovAntennas
:o

I've finally found some videos of that 3.5 metres band and also of the "Dutch OIRT band"

Radio Variant on 85.5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEFIZPfiQ1I
Radio 90s on 86.9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN2gBYDVoqY
Radio Sluve Fox - Sly Fox on 66.2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hNK2jmNuTI&t
Radio Bartije on 66.3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erMqTgqe__k&t
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Lexden383 » 21 Mar 2020 12:21

The Dutch just seem to have the ability to get these pirate bands going. I guess it is just a legacy of the large number of medium wave QSO stations that used to (and still do) exist. I will try and listen out around these channels.
In the UK what is this area of the band used for now? I remember it used to be the Fire Brigade somewhere around this area but I think they have long gone. More specifically does anyone know what uses 85.5MHz?

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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 21 Mar 2020 13:26

luckily it seems 85.500 exactly is not allocated in the UK

here's whats around it but bear in mind that more and more activity is moving to mobile phones these days

85.450 71.950 TONBRIDGE COUNCIL, TONBRIDGE KENT AM KimmyJS19 Jun 2005
85.450 71.950 L036 OFCOM LOW BAND CHANNEL NUMBERS UK WIDE FM KimmyJS19 Apr 2007
85.4625 71.9625 ATKINS LTD, WESTON-SUPER-MARE SOMERSET FM KimmyJS19 Nov 2017
85.475 71.975 WHITEHAVEN NATIONAL PARK, WHITEHAVEN CUMBRIA FM KimmyJS19 Nov 2003
85.475 71.975 R PROUSE CONTRACTORS, HOLSWORTHY DEVON FM KimmyJS19 Jan 2018
85.475 71.975 CHAUFFEUR CARS BROADSTAIRS KENT FM KimmyJS19 Sep 2004
85.475 71.975 AIRPORT CARS C/S KILO BASE, GATWICK SUSSEX FM KimmyJS19 Sep 2004
85.4875 71.9875 L039 OFCOM LOW BAND CHANNEL NUMBERS UK WIDE FM KimmyJS19 Apr 2007
85.5250 72.0250 SARCOMM (RESCUE), BROWN CLEE HILL SHROPSHIRE FM KimmyJS19 Sep 2017
85.575 72.075 UNID TAXIS, HASLINGDEN, ROSSENDALE LANCASHIRE FM KimmyJS19 Dec 2014
85.5875 72.0875 L047 OFCOM LOW BAND CHANNEL NUMBERS UK WIDE FM KimmyJS19 Apr 2007
85.600 72.100 EXETER CITY COUNCIL, CLEANSING/ETL DEVON FM KimmyJS19 Jan 2000
85.600 72.100 BS Internal Drainage Board, Swineshead LINCOLNSHIRE FM KimmyJS19 Feb 2015
85.600 72.100 London Borough of Hounslow Council LONDON FM KimmyJS19 Sep 2013
85.600 72.100 Northumberland County Council, MORPETH NORTHUMBERLAND FM KimmyJS19 Dec 2013
85.600 72.100 SCARBOROUGH DISTRICT COUNCIL NORTH YORKSHIRE FM KimmyJS19 Jun 2000
85.600 72.100 South Lanarkshire Council, HAMLILTON SCOTLAND FM KimmyJS19 Mar 2011
85.600 72.100 SURREY COUNCIL, REFUSE SURREY FM KimmyJS19 Oct 2005
85.600 72.100 FOREST HEATH DISTRICT COUNCIL WEST SUFFOLK FM KimmyJS19 Feb 2005
85.6125 72.1125 CONISTON NATIONAL PARK CONISTON CUMBRIA FM KimmyJS19 Nov 2003
85.6125 72.1125 CORY ENVIRONMENTAL SOUTHEND ON SEA ESSEX FM KimmyJS19 May 2008
85.6125 72.1125 UNIDENTIFIED FARM, THORTON NORTH LINCOLNSHIRE FM KimmyJS19 Aug 2006
85.6125 72.1125 TAXI, STRATFORD UPON AVON 118.8 WARWICKSHIRE FM KimmyJS19 Apr 2007
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Lexden383 » 22 Mar 2020 11:26

Thanks for that Tim. It looks like 85.5 then is fairly quite quiet then on the East Coast of the UK which is where I am.
Having monitored 76 -86MHz I have heard nothing for ages. In the late 80's, early 90's me and a mate used to QSO on FM (around 88MHz before some of the R2 in-fills existed) which was quite fun, although what the casual listener made of it I've no idea!

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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 23 Mar 2020 21:48

good news from the Dutch forum
"we are all horizontal polarized.
The most stations using 100 watt, and some stations 1kw or more with 9elm/11elm horizontal beams between 85.00 MHz and 87.10 MHz"

so powers are relatively high and polarisation is horizontal

I'm recording overnight tonight
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by KPC850 » 24 Mar 2020 20:55

Most of the entries in the list above are of over a decade ago (I assume last time logged) so I imagine gone by now.
Tim Bucknall wrote:
23 Mar 2020 21:48

I'm recording overnight tonight
How often are they on air (assuming part-time) ?

Maybe more likely to have activity on weekend overnights (Friday, Saturday) ???

I doubt they will all stick to H-polarisation, especially if more of these operators appear. Transmitting with a dipole Horizontal instead of Vertical will give a figure of 8 pattern, with more wasted power down to the ground, and up into the sky . Transmitting into a Horizontal Yagi to a particular direction is a different matter of course.
If they are using beams/yagis are they aiming in your general direction to have a chance to hear them Tim?

"Of course in Stereo" why do they say 'of course' ? not all pirates or licenced stations in the regular FM band are stereo

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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 25 Mar 2020 08:56

recording software crashed at 02:30 but the German 60 watter on 87.45 came in on one burst so i think its possible

i've requested a dx test between 0400 & 1000utc
thats the best time for meteor and extreme tropo scatter

good thinking re: weekends, i'll record then
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Re: Dutch Pirate "3.5 Metre band" 76-87.5 mhz!

Post by Tim Bucknall » 26 Mar 2020 10:22

Radio Mexico 85.7 broadcasting for us
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