What is tolerated in your country?

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What is tolerated in your country?

Post by AMDXHUN » 08 Dec 2018 19:20

How much unlicensed power on what band, etc!

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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Dec 2018 10:17

officially: nothing except I-Trip/LPFM txs

in practise,
i don't think they care about AM. in 1995 i ran a 1 watt tx most of the year until the tx burned out.
Today they care even less about protecting AM
i tried making a noise complaint about AM and OFCOM were hopeless,plus they want to encourage people to leave AM anyway

back then the way most am pirates got caught was because their signal would be picked up on peoples phones but the new digital phone network doesn't have this problem

on FM, some micro rebroadcasters in my nearest city (Stoke on trent) have survived for a long time
@john faulkner also heard these, maybe he was thoughts on how much power was used?
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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by John Faulkner, Skegness » 17 Dec 2018 11:59

I well remember those two re-broadcasters. One was a relay of Caroline (Who else???) and the other I forget. An internet station I think. Clearly both coming from the same part of Stoke, but only covering a very small area, probably not providing satisfactory coverage for more than half a mile from the transmitter.

Are they still operating, Tim?

One would think that the FM pirates in London are ignored when you consider the length of time they have been on the air, but there seems to be a purge every few years, though not affecting every pirate.

I don't think 'tolerated' is the right worn here. I doubt the authorities have the resources to close down the pirates. I guess there would have to be a serious case of some kind fought against an individual pirate if they were a real problem in some way, in order for it to be closed.

Are there still 100 or so FM pirates operating in London?

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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by AMDXHUN » 17 Dec 2018 14:25

Tim Bucknall wrote:
17 Dec 2018 10:17
back then the way most am pirates got caught was because their signal would be picked up on peoples phones but the new digital phone network doesn't have this problem
Yes, this was happened with my firend months ago. He sent 500W PEP among family houses. Digital phones are not everywhere here.

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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Dec 2018 16:34

sadly 97.5/94.0 is now blocked so i can't say if these microbroadcasters are still on, i guess if not officially tolerated we should say: they managed to operate 24/7 for many years without drawing attention to themselves or annoying anyone into making a complaint - theres a good lesson in there
the signal was focused on the centre of stoke but also heard at mow cop and ipstones edge



the important thing to remember is, raids are based on complaints,
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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by KnobTwiddler » 17 Dec 2018 18:35

John Faulkner, Skegness wrote:
17 Dec 2018 11:59
Are there still 100 or so FM pirates operating in London?
I have given up on Band II, there used to be a time when OFCOM would keep the 87.5 - 88.0 part of the band clear, but that is not the case these days.
Also because there is so much congestion on the band iTrip and mini Tx's also tend to use the bottom end of the band. For the last 3 weeks I have had something relaying TV stations audio on 87.5 and it's been on 24/7, there is also a very persistent pirate on 87.8 which keeps returning after OFCOM have taken them off the air. Just to add to the problems there is a Christmas RSL on 87.7.

I don't know if there are still 100 pirates operating in London, but these are the frequencies with pirates at my location in N London. :x

87.8
88.0
88.2
88.4
88.6
89.4
89.6
89.8
90.0
90.2
90.4
90.8
91.8
92.2
93.0
93.8
94.4
94.6
95.1
95.4
95.5
96.1
96.4
96.5
97.1
97.7
97.9
98.3
99.3
99.5
99.8
100.3
101.1
101.2
101.8
102.0
102.8
103.0
103.6
104.1
104.2
104.7
105.2
105.6
106.0

Just about every other frequency has some kind of Heart, Smooth, BBC National/Local or community station on it.
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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by satnipper » 17 Dec 2018 21:25

60-80 is probably around the correct number of pirates in London. It is possible to Band II dx though you need a very selective digital rig; the Sony XDR and a directional antenna - Triax FM8 (sadly no longer in production) is a good combination. In addition Monday - Wednesday are the best days to dx as many pirates are off then - conversely Friday-Sunday are the worst days.

Under very moderate lift conditions 94.7 France Bleu and 88.7 Culture were very regular visitors to NW London.

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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by KnobTwiddler » 17 Dec 2018 22:45

satnipper wrote:
17 Dec 2018 21:25
60-80 is probably around the correct number of pirates in London.
Under very moderate lift conditions 94.7 France Bleu and 88.7 Culture were very regular visitors to NW London.

Stuart
I think your estimate of 60-80 is about right these days Stuart, the most pirates I have counted was 85 on my old Grundig Satellit 500 and that was about 10 years ago.

For me it would be very difficult to receive France Culture on 88.7 because it is sandwiched between two very strong signals, I have a pirate called Back2Back FM on 88.6 and R2 from CP on 88.8. France Info (Boulogne) on 106.5 is my regular, in fact it's very good tonight almost to RDS level, but there is no chance of even hearing this when the pirate Project Radio is on the frequency. As for 94.7 I normally get a good signal from 3CR (Quaindon Hill) on this frequency.
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Re: What is tolerated in your country?

Post by AMDXHUN » 18 Dec 2018 08:14

It's unbelievable, for me. In our Capital, Budapest now there is 2-3 pirates with very low poer (0.1-2 watts) all "powerhouses" were raided. It was 2 or 3 stations with 100-300 watts. But pirate radio is not popular here.

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