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Post by zach_m » 14 Feb 2018 13:41

Hi guys,

I was browsing the web and I have found this page of Australian DX records.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/toddemslie/A ... ecords.htm

I don't know if it's still updated or not, but I was wondering if there is (was) similar website for European DXers? Would be nice to have an European DX records listed (and updated) in a one place. Of course, some DX reception is mentioned on Wikipedia, but I was thinking about something more exposed when typing DX records in Google.

Zach 73

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Post by Nick Gilly » 14 Feb 2018 18:38

Good DX.

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Post by zach_m » 15 Feb 2018 11:40

Nick,

Many thanks for your reply. This is a decent list that shows records of UKW-TVDX forum members, however, many DXers are not members of this forum. I remember Finish and Norwegian Dxers have great catches on FM and they should be exposed greatly. Don't forget about Belgian and Dutch Dxers. Also, Polish Dxers like i.e Maciek or Konrad have outstanding reception too. It's just a few countries. I am sure many other European DXers have their records too.

The Yahoo group have many members that share great FM or TV DX within the group, but it's only there. I think it should be one place where European DX reception, either FM or TV, is exposed. It would also be nice to group DX by country so that others can see what has been received in a given country. Sort of FMList with (identified) and outstanding reception. But these are just my thoughts as I noted that many great DX is buried somewhere on the Internet and has never been properly exposed. I think many our colleagues can benefit from such a place. Perhaps, it would also motivate and bring a new people to the hobby. Anyway, good DX to all!

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Post by PFM907 » 15 Feb 2018 12:52

mines are not in there, so here we go.



VHF-I (TV East)
93.25 MHz, ch. R 05 / audio carrier =99.75 MHz - UA "UA:PERSHIY" - Ternopil, 300 kW @ ~ 1000 km. (e-skip)

VHF-I (TV West)
189.25 MHz, ch. E 07 / audio carrier =194.75 MHz - SE "svt 1 Västnytt" - Halmstad, 60 kW @ ~ 400 km. (tropo) | QSL!

VHF-II (FM East - OIRT)
69.08 MHz - RU "VGTRK Radio Rossii Adygeya" - Maykop, 17 kW @ ~ 2300 km. RDS! <<MAYAK>> (e-skip)
70.79 MHz - RU "Radio Tosno Plus 70.79 UKF" - Tosno, 0.140 kW @ ~ 1400 km. (e-skip)
72.11 MHz - BR "BTRC BT Radius FM" - Minsk, 17 kW @ ~ 900 km. (tropo)

VHF-II (FM East - CCIR)
88.6 MHz - PL "Radio RSC 88.6 FM" - Skierniewice, 1 kW @ ~ 600 km. (e-skip)
89.9 MHz - HU "MR KOSSUTH RÁDIÓ" - Komádi, 2.5 kW @ ~ 1000 km. RDS! (e-skip) <<KOSSUTH>> | QSL!
97.2 MHz - SK "RTVS:RÁDIO DEVÍN" - Krížava, 10 kW @ ~ 500 km. (tropo) | eQSL! *

VHF-II (FM West - e-skip)
87.6 MHz - IR "IBA Kol Israel 88 FM" - Eitanim, 40 kW @ ~ 2600 km. RDS! (e-skip) <<88FM E>> | eQSL!
87.7 MHz - IS "Ríkisútvarpið Ísland RÚV Rás 2" - Gagnheiði, 12 kW @ ~ 1900 km. (e-skip) | QSL!
93.7 MHz - OR "BBC Radio Scotland Orkney" - Keelylang Hill, 4.1 kW @ ~ 1100 km. (e-skip) | eQSL!

VHF-II (FM West - tropo)
91.5 MHz - FR "rf france culture" - Mont Pinçon, 100 kW @ ~ 1000 km. (tropo) | eQSL!
106.1 MHz - NO "P4 Radio Hele Norge" - Halden, 29 kW @ ~ 600 km. RDS! (tropo) <<P4 NORGE>> | QSL!
106.4 MHz - EN "vibe 105-108 fm Ipswitch 106.4" - Mendlesham, 1.6 kW @ ~ 700 km. (tropo)

VHF-II (FM West - low power)
88.4 MHz - DE "BFBS Radio 2 Europe" - British Kiel Yacht Club, 0.020 kW @ ~ 100 km. (tropo) | QSL!
104.8 MHz - SE "Lugna Favoriter 104,8 Göteborg" - Brudaremossen, 0.5 kW @ ~ 400 km. (tropo) | QSL!
107.8 MHz - SE "MIX MEGAPOL Göteborg 107,8" - Lärje, 0.5 kW @ ~ 400 km. (tropo) | QSL!

VHF-II (FM West - ducting)
87.5 MHz - RU "Dorozhnoye Radio Navigator FM" - Sankt-Peterburg, 10 kW @ ~ 1200 km. RDS! (duct) | eQSL!
89.0 MHz - DE "89.0 RTL" - Brocken, 60 kW @ ~ 500 km. RDS! (duct) | QSL! *
94.6 MHz - DE "MDR SACHSEN-ANHALT Studio Magdeburg" Brocken, 60 kW RDS! @ ~ 500 km. (duct) | QSL! *

VHF-III
183.648 MHz, ch. E 06 block B DAB - DE "MDR S-ANHALT" - Brocken, 3 kW @ ~ 400 km. (duct) | QSL! *
229.072 MHz, ch. E 12 block D DAB - NO "RIKS" - Greipstad / Lyngdal / Hovdefjell, 13 kW @ ~ 600 km. (tropo) | QSL!

UHF-IV
583.25 MHz, ch. E 35 / audio carrier =588.75 MHz - DK "TV2/NORD" - Nibe, 600 kW @ ~ 400 km. (tropo) | QSL!

UHF-V
663.25 MHz, ch. E 45 / audio carrier =668.75 MHz - SE "TV4 Halland" - Halmstad, 1000 kW @ ~ 400 km. (tropo)

AM (LW)
189 kHz - IS "Ríkisútvarpið Ísland RÚV Rás 2" - Hellissandur, 300 kW @ ~ 2300 km. | eQSL!
207 kHz - IS "Ríkisútvarpið Ísland RÚV Rás 1" - Eiðar, 100 kW @ ~ 1900 km. | eQSL!

AM (MW)
1170 kHz - PP "VOA Special English" - Poro Point, 800 kW @ ~ 9700 km. | QSL!

AM (SW)
6195 kHz - BO "VOA One The Hits" - Moepeng Hill, 50 kW @ ~ 8500 km. | eQSL!

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Post by Sylvestre » 15 Feb 2018 20:20

Nice DX records ! Image

Here are mine, from France Image

Tropospheric propagation :

Band I Analog TV :
Lopik (NL) Ch E4 NOS 1, in Pennedepie F-14600, on 26th may 1998. Distance 449 Km. Regular reception. TV screen analog pic taken on 17th August 1998.

Band II Analog FM :
Bokn/Grønnestadvegen (N) 102.8 MHz P4 Norge, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 11th july 2013. Distance 1137 Km. Neither recorded nor pic taken = Only in my memory.
Heidelstein (D) 106.2 hr3, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 15th October 2017. Distance 700 Km. RDS Pic taken.
Mt Leinster (IRL) 91.8 MHz RTE 2FM, in Pennedpie F-14600 on 7th August 1998. Distance 604 Km. Analog tape audio recorded.
Göttelborner Höhe (D) 88 MHz SR1 Europawelle, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 1th November 2017. Distance 482 Km. RDS pic taken and 40 minutes digital audio recorded.

Band III Analog TV :
Trucksmore (IRL) Ch IG N2, Ch II RTE1, In Pennedepie on 25th september 1997. Distance 805 Km. Neither recorded nor pic taken = Only in my memory.
St Pieters-Leeuw (B) Ch E10, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 13th October 2001. Distance 314 Km. VHS taped.

Band IV and V Analog TV :
Roermond (NL) Ch 34 NOS3, in Cherbourg F-50100, on 22th October 1996. Distance 566 Km. Neither recorded nor pic taken = Only in my memory.
Düsseldorf (D) Ch 55 WDR3, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 5th February 2000. Distance 514 Km. VHS taped.

Band III Digital Radio :
None.

Band IV & V Digital Radio and TV :
Rowridge (GB) Ch 24 PSB1, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 18th JUly 2017. Distance 186 Km. 80 minutes of Radio 1's MP2 stream directly downloaded.
Anderlues/Mt Ste Geneviève Ch 56 RTBF, on 31th December 2017. Distance 298 Km. No direct download of RTBF Radios MP2 streams, but directs downloads of TV MPEG2-TS streams.
Bremen (D) Ch 29 ARD, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 30th December 2016. Distance 715 Km. Direct downloads of TV MPEG2-TS streams.



Ionospheric propagation (Es) :

Band I Analog TV :
Vuokatti (FIN) Ch E4 YLE-1, in Pennedepie F-14600, on 17th july 1999. Distance 2335 Km. VHS taped in Black & White, but seen in color.
Kongsberg ? (N) Ch E4 NRK-1, in Pennedepie F-14600, on 17th july 1999. Distance 1289 Km. VHS taped in color.

Band II Analog FM :
Athina/Ymittos ? (GR) 89.8 MHz Dromos FM & 92.3 MHz Lampsi FM, in Berville-Sur-Mer F-27210, on 17th june 2017. Distance 2264 Km. RDS pics taken and Digital audio recorded.

To be updated... Image
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Re: DX records

Post by PFM907 » 15 Feb 2018 22:00

Norway in France, excellent! I wonder if this works out the other way round, now Norway having left FM.

Regarding E-skip, there is always one upper and one lower personal record:
- the most far-away distance (e.g. double hop, multi hop or ES-tropo combi)
- the nearest / shortest distance (low distance propagation) makes it even more interesting, especially regarding countries who deliver BOTH - tropo and ES logs at your QTH (in Germany these are EN, SC, FR, PL, NO, SE, CH, AT) and maybe FI+IR
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Post by zach_m » 16 Feb 2018 13:51

Hello guys,

I apologise for late reply. First of all, many thanks for your input and I appreciate your personal DX logs. However, I was thinking about something "exclusive" shall we say?

I think we will have to set some criteria whilst thinking about this project.

There's a theory that the single-hop Sporadic-E paths are no longer than 2200km. I would like to exclude those catches from the website and focus on reception above 2200km for Es.

Double hop and multi-hop reception I rare, same apply to long tropo paths. I was also thinking MW & SW DX. I think should also be excluded. Let's narrow the website to TV and FM DX.

I have some project in mind and I will try to work on it. I only have some basic HTML skills, but I think that's enough for this project - unless someone would like to create sort of database, but I don't think it's necessary.

I was also thinking about archive section, whether this should be included or not?

Looking for your ideas guys. This is a major project and the data need to be collected.

If we decide to progress further, I will provide some more details. Until then.

Good DX
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Post by Sylvestre » 24 Feb 2018 17:00

PFM907 wrote:- the nearest / shortest distance (low distance propagation) makes it even more interesting especially regarding countries who deliver BOTH - tropo and ES logs at your QTH
Here, shortest distance Es FM receptions confirmed were Denmark : < 1000 Km, and my longest tropo reception were 1137 Km distant (Norway).
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Post by Tim Bucknall » 28 Feb 2018 12:46

that German one includes only members back then

its missing my 87.7 Canaries tropo from Aberdaron (joint log with Jeff Kitching) and The Peak District National Park in England ( me alone) , both around 2990km

E skip
if you count 65.75 (many times)/72.25 (once) as OIRT my reception of Karamay, East Turkestan is 5973 km


my Kazakhstan reception of 24th June 2004 on 69.76 (not a typo) at 1000utc would be a little less than the above distance (tx now closed)
-that was the same day that produced TA FM in the evening, I had an Unid French tv audio signal from quebec on 87.75 - I remember that was 2100utc because i called dad in to hear it and he was watch the ten o clock news on tv!

David Hamilton Id'ed Canada on 97.1

Paul Logan has logged Alabama on FM which must be some kind of record
he also logged Alberta video on 61.25 mhz at 4am!

then theres the mysterious Mr Derek Hilleard G4CQM in cornwall who seems to have had transatlantic tropo and e skip we would kill for, but because UK Hams don't talk to dxers we're somewhat in the dark.
if someone was compiling a table of records i'm sure he wouldn't mind talking
http://www.g4cqm.co.uk/


John Faulkners Cape Verde reception should be in the "hit list"

theres the dxer in the azores in the 1970's who logged Germany and New Jersey on Tropo

as for shortest tropo , i used to get the defunct Huddersfield & Southport stations on 107.9 via tropo , i suspect the top of band 2 propagates a bit like 2m
for more recent stations that still exist , Fever 107.3 has come in very strongly via tropo at l east twice, distance is 86km
before that channel filled up i could just about detect Fever but my new semi-locals in Stafford & North wales Buried it totally, but twice it came in very strongly

Highest MUF
The Late and much missed Cyril Willis should be mentioned for getting Russian TV up to the top of band (230mhz) 1988 i think
he phoned another dxer who told him it was overload! so he didn't log it!

highest F2 MUF, in the 1979 cycles US dxers were logging the UK firebrigades on 70 mhz

Egyptian band 3 tv received in east Germany in the 70's - no carrier measurement back then, this was a picture on a deaf east bloc tv as wide as a barn door

not as impressive as the above but i briefly saw a YLE caption on Band 3 (maybe E8?) during an extreme scandanavian pile up

Jurgen Bartels Alaska on 55.25, i forget the mode

Meteor record - Mark Hattam,London US TV sound on 87.75

shortest Meteor - John Faulkner - various UK txs

shortest E skip Peter Wilson BBC radio Cornwall received in Humberside (was this backscatter?)
my shortest E skip Hamburg 87.6 786km (Hamburg 87.6 is the only tx i have received by 4 modes tropo, meteor, e skip, & Aurora)

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Post by satnipper » 28 Feb 2018 12:56

"then theres the mysterious Mr Derek Hilleard in cornwall who seems to have had transatlantic tropo and e skip we would kill for, but because UK Hams don't talk to dxers we're somewhat in the dark."

What nonsense!!

Derek Hilleard is G4CQM - see:

http://www.g4cqm.co.uk/

https://www.qrz.com/db/g4cqm

http://www.g4cqm.uk/index.html

Drop him a line and ask him some questions...seems to know his stuff.

Stuart

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Post by Tim Bucknall » 28 Feb 2018 12:58

near misses - the ones that got away

Myself , John Faulkner & Pat Travers think we heard American accents on 87.75 on august the 8th 2000 from widemouth bay bude , typical tropo signal with deep fading, its best signal peaks were still way in the noise, we had the radio cranked so high , that a sudden meteor ping would would have given us all heart attacks!

24/6/04 (i think) Siberia up to R4 , overnight output black screens and test tones was seen at UK midday, but i didn't id anything, there was too much going on, i concentrated on oirt

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Post by Nick Gilly » 28 Feb 2018 16:22

My shortest E-skip was Antenne Frankfurt from Wiesbaden on 88.0 at 698 km on June 2nd 2017, IDed from its atypical PI code of 1362.

Tim, I seem to remember that the Egyptian reception in the former DDR was tropo!
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Post by zach_m » 28 Feb 2018 20:06

Tim,

I would love to compile the list, however, I am not sure if it's entirely possible without FM List permission. Unfortunately, FM List is vital for this project. Over a week ago, I requested permission to publish FM List logs on my new (yet not existing) website. I have not got any reply so I cannot do anything at the moment. FM List logs are copyright reserved, therefore, publishing them without a permission is not allowed. I am not sure why the owner does not reply my email. He may don't like the idea of publishing an FM list information on other websites.

I could do a basic list without publishing details, but I would rather have a detailed compilation (DXer location, username etc.) that would present a certain image of received DX.

I have seen JF's Cape Verde logs on FM List. I went trough Sporadic-E logs back to 2004. There is a many great DX logged. I didn't have too much time to trace tropo and aurora logs. Fmlist doesn't have too much prior-2004, so other sources are the only way to go.

Sorry, a the moment I can't do too much.

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Post by John Faulkner, Skegness » 28 Feb 2018 21:30

I keep starting to type a list of my shortest and longest catches. I will get round to it sooner or later. Such a list would be useful.

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Post by daveB » 28 Feb 2018 23:33

Sp-E records
Shortest distance 2017 Season :
133 km Back-scatter ES - 2nd June 2017 1649UTC. 89.7 BBC Radio 2 Talconeston 133 km. , along with BBC R3 and BBC Radio 4. (SDR Waterfall showed it was at same time as specific Es)
679 km Forward Es - 16 Jun 2017 1926 UTC 90.2 Germany MDR Jump, Inselberg. During an extensive opening to Poland, Chechia and Finland.

Longest distance 2016 Season :
3866 km - 29th May 2016 1300 UTC - 89.5 Iraq Radio Nawa - Kirkuk. Other stations from Iran and Iraq at the same couldn't be assigned to a transmitter location with any certainty.
Longest distance 2017 Season :
3538 km - 4th June 2017 0851 UTC Israel Jerusalem: 88.8 KAN MaKan PI:42E4; 91.8 Galgalatz PI:42E9 PS:GLGL??-E

Tropo Records
Longest distance 2015
1200 km - 2nd October 2015 0734 UTC 103.6 Sweden SR4, Kisa. This was a major opening to Scandanavia.
Longest distance 2017:
1173 km - 28th May 2017 2330-2350 UTC 107.5' Poland PR24' Lebork. Id from web stream. Many German stations received in same direction the best being from Garz (Rugen) at 906 km.

Auroral Es
274 km - 01 January 2016 0317. BBC Radio 2 88.9, BBC Radio 3, 92.10, BBC Radio 4 94.3. Wenvoe.

Going back many years - I'm guessing it was the late 1980's when there was a sunspot maximum I had a Band I quad loop in the attic and was getting long periods of very strong smeary video on ChE2 via F2 propagation. I was not able to identify a single station/country - but it was still fascinating.

Comment for zach-m. A third-party compiling a list from FMLIst would be un-reliable as, if I am a typical user, typo errors can creep in. I export whole years to csv and then convert to a full spreadsheet. It is evident on checking for record distances the wrong propagation mode got entered on a few occasions.

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Post by Tim Bucknall » 01 Mar 2018 08:47

I give anyone compiling such a list my permission to use anything I've logged.

I'm sure most record breaking logs fall outside fmlist copyright.
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Post by Tim Bucknall » 01 Mar 2018 09:09

Paul Logan had a japanese language ping on 87.6 but assumed that a translation voice over would have kicked in if the reception had lasted longer
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Post by zach_m » 01 Mar 2018 10:02

Hi David,

Thanks for your logs. I tend to believe that FMList logs are genuine, but mistakes can happen of course. I was going to concentrate more on the furthest distances regarding Sp-E. Distances ranging up to 2000km are fairly common during the Sporadic-E season.

I have some boundaries in my mind though.

The bottom distance for Band 2, to qualify the log is, 2400km which I believe is the maximum range for a single hop. Of course, reception from distances ranging 2500-2600km happens rarely (still single hop). This is easy to spot going through the logs. And if you check year by year, you'll see the same pattern (ie. the same DXer) and even the same signals being received. The FMList users tend to very experienced in TV/FM DX.

I agree that people make mistakes, but then, others will catch the error quickly. I think the short skips should be excluded as these are very easy to confuse with other modes. Don't get me wrong, this is still fascinated DX, but it's very easy to confuse with MS or troposcatter for new DXer. If this happens, I will have submit a hundred logs for short Sp-E skips. We don't want that, aren't we?

I was also thinking about UNID signals that have not been logged to FMList. Like Tim posted above, a Japanese language on 87.6 or American accents on 87.75? What to do whit these? Oc course, not all DX reception is recorded, but without a doubt, I would trust Paul Logan if he wrote to me about it.

What shall I do with this "mystery" catches? Perhaps a separate entry is the answer.

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Post by John Faulkner, Skegness » 01 Mar 2018 11:08

Tim Bucknall wrote:
01 Mar 2018 08:47
I give anyone compiling such a list my permission to use anything I've logged.
Me too. All DXer's names and locations should be quoted of course, but I have no doubt that these would be done anyway.

I will compile some kind of list if I can. Some of my best catches have been lost due to file corruption. This is why I keep records all over the place. Blog, personal website and FM List. SkywavesDX and Emails are good too.

Funny though, I found LOTS of old logs and documents from the early 80s while clearing out the store cupboard the other day. There's so much to go on. I even wondered about scanning some documents and publishing them here and on my blog. There were LOTS of things I had completely forgotten.

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Post by daveB » 01 Mar 2018 11:56

Google Paul Logan American FM reception and got this YouTube Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga56hsHvTCg and this web-page http://www.dxradio.co.uk/transatlanticfm.php

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