Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

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Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Sniffingmoose » 17 Oct 2018 10:10

Radio 3 Llangollen TX 91.1 is broadcasting an announcement today that it is switching to BBC Radio Wales from 24th October and you need to retune if you wish to carry on listening to BBC Radio 3.

I am getting the PI Code is CF3F.

RDS now reads "__BBC___" at the moment.

The announcement is giving retune information suggesting 90.5 for Shropshire and Staffordshire and 91.5 for Merseyside, Cheshire and Flintshire and North Wales coast.

I understand that the BBC want to extend the coverage of Radio Wales on FM as for historic reasons Radio Wales has very few FM transmitters. I am not sure if any other welsh Radio 3 Tx's are carrying the announcement as the band is flat here today so I can only hear LLangollen.

I wonder if they will be switching all welsh transmitters that carry Radio 3, but DO NOT carry Radio Wales, I think that is 31 with all the little relays.

Anyway that is good news for me as I listen to Radio Wales online on Sunday nights to Frank Hennessy and now will be able to hear it with a normal radio. I think radio Wales has better music output than BBC Local radio at the weekends and the Sunday night Celtic Heartbeat show is one of the best music shows on the radio playing folk, roots and acoustic music from the Celtic countries.
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Andrew Webster,Wigan » 17 Oct 2018 11:07

Thanks for the heads up 91.8 Long Mountain is also broadcasting the announcement so does look like all Welsh R3 are switching PI code is also CF3F.

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Andrew Webster,Wigan » 17 Oct 2018 12:45

Just heard the announcement on 90.6 Presumably Carmel so really confirms that all R3 TXs in Wales are going over to Radio Wales.

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Sniffingmoose » 17 Oct 2018 14:31

Interesting, It must be a different announcement on each transmitter for alternative ways to hear radio 3 depending on which TX you used get Radio 3 from.
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Nick Gilly » 17 Oct 2018 15:28

Yes I'm getting the retune announcement here on 91.1 from Llangollen via scatter. It should make it easier to spot these Welsh relays during tropo lifts.
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Oct 2018 18:05

Andrew Webster,Wigan wrote:
17 Oct 2018 12:45
Just heard the announcement on 90.6 Presumably Carmel so really confirms that all R3 TXs in Wales are going over to Radio Wales.

Andy
Andy I suggest you are hearing Penmaen Rhos on 90.6 as Carmel will not be switching since they already have a Radio Wales relay on 95.1.

a lot of people are going to get some surprises when they realise the tx they're hearing is not what they thought!
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as well as 91.1 Llangollen i hear Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant with a small positive offset
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Andrew Webster,Wigan » 17 Oct 2018 18:07

Thanks Tim yes same message on all three received here all referring to same locality so it is Penmaen Rhos on 90.6 as you said.

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Oct 2018 18:10

the Wrexham relay on 95.4 becomes rather pointless now, hopefully it gets shut off

Can you hear Conway on 91.3 Andy?

pity condx are so bad
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Oct 2018 18:38

i made an IQ recording beaming west in vertical
and looped the audio gap at the end of the message then tuned the file in usb to hear any weak relays carrying the same message, very disappointing results
only Long Mountain 91.8, llandinam 92.3 & 90.6 Penmaen Rhos - that last one is so weak i'm not sure if i'm imagining it

nothing on 91.3 & 91.6 which should each have 2 Welsh relays under normal flat condx

Andy can you hear Betwys-Y-Coed on 90.4?
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Oct 2018 18:53

aah! now i understand
only "some" of the larger txs get a test message, the others will just flip over to radio wales on the 24th https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/radio/walesfaq

its an odd definition of "large" that includes Llandinam but excludes Llandrindod wells
i guess Llandinam is fed off air

come on @john faulkner, we're having a welsh relay party!

can any of our friends in the west country report on the southern half of wales?
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by theme » 17 Oct 2018 19:53

Is this the beginning to an R3 FM dismission? That's the least listened to BBC station and I've already read about it being close to a DAB relegation...

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 17 Oct 2018 20:15

If Wales doesn't massively object and make a fuss , I think it will be

It would be a shame if this happens everywhere in my opinion as it will make FM even blander.

I rarely listen in daytime (only Saturday afternoon)
but nighttime radio 3 is the only music radio I listen to consistently, I've been recording every episode of late junction so I can go back and get info on my favourite tracks
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by theme » 17 Oct 2018 20:24

I'd agree on 6 Music being swapped with R3, though... So much interesting music!


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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Andrew Webster,Wigan » 18 Oct 2018 11:10

Tim Bucknall wrote:
17 Oct 2018 18:38

Can you hear Conway on 91.3 Andy?

Andy can you hear Betwys-Y-Coed on 90.4?
Hi Tim no can't hear any of them here I don't want any more stations on the band it's ckocker enough as it is.

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by PFM907 » 18 Oct 2018 11:20

According to the BBC, this switch-over will have an impact on at least 32 (!) low power or mid power relay stations that carry Radio3 until today.
I do not quite get it: Why are they doing this now, in 2018 while DAB digital radio has a good coverage on the market? It would be more logical they did it 10 years ago but the choice of time and date is rather surprising. Guess this will spread towards Scotland as well sooner or later.

"BBC Radio Wales broadcasts high quality, original, challenging and innovative programmes for a Welsh audience, championing Welsh culture, music and arts."
So, as I understand, Radio 3, the original cultural station, does not?? Just because it is being produced in LDN or what !?

Why do people have to tune in Radio Wales, what about Radio Cymru and Radio Cymru 2 ?? Do Welsh people in fact need 3 (!!!) regional public radios? Time shifting Radio Cymru and Radio Wales on ONE channel at daytime throughout FM, while switching-off all other FM and running all three of them pure digitally would be better advertising to make DAB digital radio and Satellite TV more popular.

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by pe1etr » 18 Oct 2018 12:09

The majority of people in Wales have English as their first language, not Welsh, hence the reason for increasing coverage of Radio Wales, which is in English.

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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 18 Oct 2018 12:26

PFM907 wrote:
18 Oct 2018 11:20
"BBC Radio Wales broadcasts high quality, original, challenging and innovative programmes for a Welsh audience, championing Welsh culture, music and arts."
So, as I understand, Radio 3, the original cultural station, does not?? Just because it is being produced in LDN or what !?
audience research indicates Radio 3 has lowest listener figures so it was the obvious one for the accountants to switch off, however you could make the case (as i would) that it is the BBC's duty to provide services that the Commercial market would never provide and most of Radio 3 fits that description

Obviously ofcoms failiure to protect the band means BBC Radio Wales MW signal is no longer useable in urban & suburban areas.
why was the decision made back in 1968 to put it on Medium Wave instead of having it on FM like Radio Cymru?
back then there was plenty of space on FM

i can only assume the UK government were swimming against the tide and trying desperately to keep the police & Gasboard allocations on Band II
leaving only 88.1-97.6 for broadcasting
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 18 Oct 2018 16:32

No change on yesterday's situation

Enhancement to the west coming over next 4 days which should reveal if any other txs are carrying switchover messages.
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Re: Llangollen 91.1 changing from Radio 3 to Radio Wales

Post by Tim Bucknall » 21 Oct 2018 10:52

if anyone from Digital Spy is checking back on this thread

i have some corrections to the list posted on DS

91.3 Llanfyllin*
91.3 Llandrindod Wells
91.6 Llandecwyn
91.6 Machynlleth
these 4 are definitely not carrying the switchover message

91.4 Pontypool
this is probably not carrying the message , this is semi regular here, we currently have a tropo to the area and i would expect to hear the message

91.9 Mynydd Pencarreg
probably not carrying the message, 96.6 is in and out here, if 91.9 was airing speech i would expect to see a trace through saddleworth
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